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JLuc
Hello

I'm using gimp and scribus to produce CMYK PDF
and i have issue with the photograph rendering of the printed books or magazines.

The original image files come from various cameras or smartphones
and lots of différente photographers, none of them being professionnal.
They all are RGB and many of them are not technicaly perfect
but at least i manage to get high-enough resolution pictures.
The issue is with colour rendering :
many of them are printed too dark,
and the dark parts are over-dark, flattened and with no details.

AFAICT my scribus settings for colour management are OK (ICC profile...).
I havent a calibrated monitor.
What is see on screen is very nice - or at least nice enough -
Only printing is the issue.
The industrial printer i send my PDFs to prints on offset paper
- which i was told adds 2 or 3% to the red channel.
When i print localy on my deskjet printer, i kindof reproduces the "too dark" effect,
which can help me "debug" and improve the rendering.

When scribus displays the "out of gamut" areas, i see that much of these pictures are out of gamut.
Bringing these picture more "in gamut" could help.
How can i achieve this ?

EG this public domain picture https://pxhere.com/en/photo/1575227
This one is not dark overall compared to others.
I can see the tomatoe are a bit dark but overall the picture looks bright and balanced enough,
or at least there is a clear color contrast between tomato and salad colors.
Dont you think so ?
When printed, both the salad and the tomato looks much darker
and there is no more contrast betwen tomato and salad.
I tried editing this photograph with gimp so as to improve print :
- selected tomato red area with progressive selection, boosted the red and calmed down the blue and green
- selected the salad green area with progressive selection and added some saturate effect
On screen the result is better, brighter.
But when printed, it is only very slightly (allmost not) improved.

Another example picture is here : https://pic.infini.fr/40kyb5S0/L6oygOf7.jpg
This is not so good a picture.
It's been edited a bit but that's not enough.
The dark part (door and water) are dark but we can see details in them on screen.
When printed, these dark parts look flat dark brown-black with no details at all.

How can i improve that ?

JLuc

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Re: image work

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If you’re not calibrating your monitor and proofing with profiles from your
printer you’re likely facing a long, painful road to “good” results...

If you want accurate colors, calibrate, profile, proof.


On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 5:48 AM JLuc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I'm using gimp and scribus to produce CMYK PDF
> and i have issue with the photograph rendering of the printed books or
> magazines.
>
> The original image files come from various cameras or smartphones
> and lots of différente photographers, none of them being professionnal.
> They all are RGB and many of them are not technicaly perfect
> but at least i manage to get high-enough resolution pictures.
> The issue is with colour rendering :
> many of them are printed too dark,
> and the dark parts are over-dark, flattened and with no details.
>
> AFAICT my scribus settings for colour management are OK (ICC profile...).
> I havent a calibrated monitor.
> What is see on screen is very nice - or at least nice enough -
> Only printing is the issue.
> The industrial printer i send my PDFs to prints on offset paper
> - which i was told adds 2 or 3% to the red channel.
> When i print localy on my deskjet printer, i kindof reproduces the "too
> dark" effect,
> which can help me "debug" and improve the rendering.
>
> When scribus displays the "out of gamut" areas, i see that much of these
> pictures are out of gamut.
> Bringing these picture more "in gamut" could help.
> How can i achieve this ?
>
> EG this public domain picture https://pxhere.com/en/photo/1575227
> This one is not dark overall compared to others.
> I can see the tomatoe are a bit dark but overall the picture looks bright
> and balanced enough,
> or at least there is a clear color contrast between tomato and salad
> colors.
> Dont you think so ?
> When printed, both the salad and the tomato looks much darker
> and there is no more contrast betwen tomato and salad.
> I tried editing this photograph with gimp so as to improve print :
> - selected tomato red area with progressive selection, boosted the red and
> calmed down the blue and green
> - selected the salad green area with progressive selection and added some
> saturate effect
> On screen the result is better, brighter.
> But when printed, it is only very slightly (allmost not) improved.
>
> Another example picture is here :
> https://pic.infini.fr/40kyb5S0/L6oygOf7.jpg
> This is not so good a picture.
> It's been edited a bit but that's not enough.
> The dark part (door and water) are dark but we can see details in them on
> screen.
> When printed, these dark parts look flat dark brown-black with no details
> at all.
>
> How can i improve that ?
>
> JLuc
>
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Re: image work

Rick Strong-2
I agree with Pat.  Start by buying a calibrator for your screen.

Also, the RGB gamut is far wider than the CMYK gamut. Unfortunately GIMP
does not provide a CMYK mode for images. You may want to try out the
Affinity programs, especially Affinity Photo. Check out Affinity Publisher.
I have used Scribus but I prefer this. They are not free but not expensive.
If you are in business you can write it all off.

Rick S.
Ottawa

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From: Pat David via gimp-user-list
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:35 AM
To: JLuc
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Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] image work

If you’re not calibrating your monitor and proofing with profiles from your
printer you’re likely facing a long, painful road to “good” results...

If you want accurate colors, calibrate, profile, proof.

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