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Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

Michael Schumacher
Am 04.09.20 um 23:50 schrieb Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list:

> Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?

It is available - see https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/

But note that this is a really old version - are you sure that you want
that?

Maybe you should provide a bit more context about why you need it and
what "not available" means in this context.


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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
>
> Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?

Source code: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
Windows: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
macOS: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg

We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
obsolete releases from the main downloads page.

Alex
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from <
https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.22.tar.bz2>

The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I have a
neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the grocery store
and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, sometimes even finding the
kitchen in my house -- is dependent on life-long-learned tricks that are
based in objective visible familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.

After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux Mint
17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day. Samples: <
https://nowvthen.tumblr.com/archive> No prob.

The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks of
mostly failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the interface.
Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and it's a place I
have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has blots that most
people will easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as easily recognizable
information.

The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and <
https://www.gimp.org/downloads/> has only a button for a flatpack of GIMP
2.10

GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.

For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 2.8. I
can use that for as long as it hasn't gotten corrupted on my computer. I
can do a fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that version is supported.
I'd like to get ahead on having a fresh OS install. Becoming cognizant of
GIMP 2.10 would be a big delay. At my age, that's real iffy.

I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the Cinnamon
version appear as much like Mint 18 Cinnamon as possible.

Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend that
time mapping-out a new territory or do I get to keep working along the road
that has what I need to recognize where I am?

Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of
overlooking. (Among others, I once worked closely with Apple Newton
developers, for instance. <sigh> May Steve rest in peace.) Viable available
legacy is important. We're all legacy, sooner or later.


On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
> >
> > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
> Source code: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
> Windows:
> https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
> macOS:
> https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg
>
> We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
> obsolete releases from the main downloads page.
>
> Alex
>
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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But Kenny,

You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.

'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
legacy options.

Alex

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from <https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.22.tar.bz2>
>
> The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I have a neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the grocery store and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, sometimes even finding the kitchen in my house -- is dependent on life-long-learned tricks that are based in objective visible familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.
>
> After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux Mint 17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day. Samples: <https://nowvthen.tumblr.com/archive> No prob.
>
> The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks of mostly failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the interface. Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and it's a place I have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has blots that most people will easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as easily recognizable information.
>
> The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and <https://www.gimp.org/downloads/> has only a button for a flatpack of GIMP 2.10
>
> GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.
>
> For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 2.8. I can use that for as long as it hasn't gotten corrupted on my computer. I can do a fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that version is supported. I'd like to get ahead on having a fresh OS install. Becoming cognizant of GIMP 2.10 would be a big delay. At my age, that's real iffy.
>
> I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the Cinnamon version appear as much like Mint 18 Cinnamon as possible.
>
> Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend that time mapping-out a new territory or do I get to keep working along the road that has what I need to recognize where I am?
>
> Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of overlooking. (Among others, I once worked closely with Apple Newton developers, for instance. <sigh> May Steve rest in peace.) Viable available legacy is important. We're all legacy, sooner or later.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>>
>> Source code: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
>> Windows: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
>> macOS: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg
>>
>> We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
>> obsolete releases from the main downloads page.
>>
>> Alex
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

Elle Stone
Hi Kenny,

In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually
fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another
possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of
Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint
that will install and run GIMP 2.8.

Maybe you've already considered using a virtual machine, but if not,
VirtualBox does allow to open/export/save files back and forth between
the virtual machine's and real machine's hard drives. Once everything is
running properly, make a backup copy of the virtual machine
configuration files and especially the VDI (virtual disk image) in case
the one you use every day somehow gets corrupted.

VirtualBox can be set up to run seamlessly inside the host Linux
installation. I haven't used VirtualBox in several years, but back when
I did use it regularly, it worked flawlessly to allow running an old
operating system and software. I transferred that virtual machine
through quite a few hardware and operating system changes, and it always
worked like a charm.

I did find a pre-made, downloadable virtual machine for Mint 19:
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/virtualbox/
https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/linuxmint-19/

Maybe somewhere there is a pre-made image for Mint 18 if Mint 19 won't
work. But if you can install an operating system on bare metal,
installing the same operating system in a virtual machine involves just
about the exact same procedure - the difficult part is setting
everything up to get to the point of actually being able to start
installing the selected operating system.

Fortunately the VirtualBox forums are pretty good, or at least they used
to be. Also there used to be (and probably still are) a lot of "how
to's" on the internet, but at least in the past the "how to's"  were
outdated almost as soon as they were written as VirtualBox itself was
changing rapidly. So it's necessary to make sure the "how to" applies to
the more recent versions of VirtualBox.

Probably the Mint forums could help, and the Arch Linux documentation
always seem to have good, up-to-date "how tos" that often apply to other
versions of Linux.

Best regards,
Elle


On 9/4/20 8:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:

> But Kenny,
>
> You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.
>
> 'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
> legacy options.
>
> Alex
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from <https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.22.tar.bz2>
>>
>> The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I have a neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the grocery store and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes, sometimes even finding the kitchen in my house -- is dependent on life-long-learned tricks that are based in objective visible familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.
>>
>> After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux Mint 17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day. Samples: <https://nowvthen.tumblr.com/archive> No prob.
>>
>> The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks of mostly failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the interface. Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and it's a place I have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has blots that most people will easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as easily recognizable information.
>>
>> The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and <https://www.gimp.org/downloads/> has only a button for a flatpack of GIMP 2.10
>>
>> GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.
>>
>> For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP 2.8. I can use that for as long as it hasn't gotten corrupted on my computer. I can do a fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that version is supported. I'd like to get ahead on having a fresh OS install. Becoming cognizant of GIMP 2.10 would be a big delay. At my age, that's real iffy.
>>
>> I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the Cinnamon version appear as much like Mint 18 Cinnamon as possible.
>>
>> Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend that time mapping-out a new territory or do I get to keep working along the road that has what I need to recognize where I am?
>>
>> Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of overlooking. (Among others, I once worked closely with Apple Newton developers, for instance. <sigh> May Steve rest in peace.) Viable available legacy is important. We're all legacy, sooner or later.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>>>
>>> Source code: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
>>> Windows: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
>>> macOS: https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg
>>>
>>> We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
>>> obsolete releases from the main downloads page.
>>>
>>> Alex
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

Elle Stone
On 9/5/20 10:27 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
> Hi Kenny,
>
> In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually
> fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another
> possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of
> Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint
> that will install and run GIMP 2.8.

Two more possibilities for getting an older version of GIMP to run on
current Mint:

* Try an appimage for GIMP-2.9 - the older the appimage, the closer it
is to being more like GIMP-2.8. I used GIMP 2.9 since just about the
beginning of its existence and it always ran just fine, very stable.
Here's a link - scroll down to the files with "2.99" in the file name:
https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-appimage/releases/tag/continuous

Here's a link for asking about possibly older versions of GIMP-2.9
appimage:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/gimp-appimage-continuous-integration/1959


* If GIMP for Windows runs on WINE (anyone know?), then try installing
WINE and download an older precompiled version of GIMP for Windows. Just
make sure the download site is reliable as many distributors of GIMP for
Windows just want to distribute malware. "Partha's Place" is good place
to download Windows versions of GIMP - scroll down on the right side,
two versions of 2.8 are available:
https://www.partha.com/


>
> Maybe you've already considered using a virtual machine, but if not,
> VirtualBox does allow to open/export/save files back and forth between
> the virtual machine's and real machine's hard drives. Once everything is
> running properly, make a backup copy of the virtual machine
> configuration files and especially the VDI (virtual disk image) in case
> the one you use every day somehow gets corrupted.
>
> VirtualBox can be set up to run seamlessly inside the host Linux
> installation. I haven't used VirtualBox in several years, but back when
> I did use it regularly, it worked flawlessly to allow running an old
> operating system and software. I transferred that virtual machine
> through quite a few hardware and operating system changes, and it always
> worked like a charm.
>
> I did find a pre-made, downloadable virtual machine for Mint 19:
> https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/virtualbox/
> https://www.linuxvmimages.com/images/linuxmint-19/
>
> Maybe somewhere there is a pre-made image for Mint 18 if Mint 19 won't
> work. But if you can install an operating system on bare metal,
> installing the same operating system in a virtual machine involves just
> about the exact same procedure - the difficult part is setting
> everything up to get to the point of actually being able to start
> installing the selected operating system.
>
> Fortunately the VirtualBox forums are pretty good, or at least they used
> to be. Also there used to be (and probably still are) a lot of "how
> to's" on the internet, but at least in the past the "how to's"  were
> outdated almost as soon as they were written as VirtualBox itself was
> changing rapidly. So it's necessary to make sure the "how to" applies to
> the more recent versions of VirtualBox.
>
> Probably the Mint forums could help, and the Arch Linux documentation
> always seem to have good, up-to-date "how tos" that often apply to other
> versions of Linux.
>
> Best regards,
> Elle
>
>
> On 9/4/20 8:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote:
>> But Kenny,
>>
>> You do not have to go back to 2.8 to get back the old user interface.
>>
>> 'Edit > Preferences > Interface > Theme / Icon Theme' will give you
>> legacy options.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:46 AM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't have the skills to compile GIMP from
>>> <https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.22.tar.bz2>
>>>
>>> The new interface in GIMP 2.10 is a problem somewhat unique to me. I
>>> have a neurological disorder. Navigating anything -- walking to the
>>> grocery store and back, traveling by trains, buses, airplanes,
>>> sometimes even finding the kitchen in my house -- is dependent on
>>> life-long-learned tricks that are based in objective visible
>>> familiarity. This neural disorder is worsening.
>>>
>>> After using Photoshop since v. 2.2, I've been using GIMP 2.8 in Linux
>>> Mint 17 and 18 for years. I work in GIMP 2.8 for hours every day.
>>> Samples: <https://nowvthen.tumblr.com/archive> No prob.
>>>
>>> The threshold for gaining use of GIMP 2.10 would take unknown weeks
>>> of mostly failure, due to the lack of neural mapping I have for the
>>> interface. Read: It looks only similar to anyplace I've ever been and
>>> it's a place I have no readable map for. To me, the (neural) map has
>>> blots that most people will easily read in the GIMP 2.10 interface as
>>> easily recognizable information.
>>>
>>> The app manager in Mint 20 will only install GIMP 2.10 -- and
>>> <https://www.gimp.org/downloads/> has only a button for a flatpack of
>>> GIMP 2.10
>>>
>>> GIMP 2.8 is available to install from the app manager in Mint 18.
>>>
>>> For now, I can boot a drive that's fully set up in Mint 18 with GIMP
>>> 2.8. I can use that for as long as it hasn't gotten corrupted on my
>>> computer. I can do a fresh install of Mint 18 for as long as that
>>> version is supported. I'd like to get ahead on having a fresh OS
>>> install. Becoming cognizant of GIMP 2.10 would be a big delay. At my
>>> age, that's real iffy.
>>>
>>> I've been doing okay with Mint 20 -- having spent weeks making the
>>> Cinnamon version appear as much like Mint 18 Cinnamon as possible.
>>>
>>> Which will hold on longer -- Mint 18/GIMP 2.8 or me? Should I spend
>>> that time mapping-out a new territory or do I get to keep working
>>> along the road that has what I need to recognize where I am?
>>>
>>> Legacy is something that app developers have a long harsh history of
>>> overlooking. (Among others, I once worked closely with Apple Newton
>>> developers, for instance. <sigh> May Steve rest in peace.) Viable
>>> available legacy is important. We're all legacy, sooner or later.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Alexandre Prokoudine
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:00 AM Kenny Mann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>>>>
>>>> Source code:
>>>> https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/gimp-2.8.16.tar.bz2
>>>> Windows:
>>>> https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.16-setup-6.exe
>>>> macOS:
>>>> https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/gimp-2.8.16-x86_64-1.dmg
>>>>
>>>> We are not under any kind of obligation to provide direct links to
>>>> obsolete releases from the main downloads page.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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I just discovered that tools can be ungrouped in GIMP 2.10
(Sure, I can hold onto the concept that a tool is made visible by looking
inside the group of related tools, but with my particular cognitive
disorder, things that aren't visible tend to not exist in any functional
sense. Imagine if the location of absolutely everything in the world were
like the last time you lost your keys -- everything, all day, every day,
your whole life.)

Ungrouping the tools I use regularly makes it possible to have the toolbox
in 2.10 appear as it always has in GIMP 2 -- a major cognitive help.

Oh And: Now I see that the layers tab can be dragged to the set at the top
of the column and the brushes can be dragged to the set at the bottom. It's
nice not having the layers panel disappear until I look where the brushes
always were and then keep finding the brushes have disappeared until I
glance upward.

Yes, having things only truly functionally exist when they're in view is
weird. Be very glad you can take it for granted that things exist in
locations on routes that you can keep track of without applying total
conscious effort every single time.

Picture GIMP in your mind's eye. I can't. If you were to ask me where
things are in GIMP when I don't have the app open, I couldn't tell you,
even if you offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to Mars.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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Hello Kenny,

First of all, I am sorry to hear about your condition.

Unfortunately we don't store any compiled package for GIMP on Linux (unlike
Windows/macOS packages). Even our flatpak is quite new (since late GIMP 2.8
releases, if not mistaken). The Flathub repository actually stores an
history of former builds, so it is actually possible to install older
builds (this is quite a hidden feature of Flatpak, very useful for
debugging), but I just checked and the 2.8 builds are long gone because
Flathub only stores up to 25 builds (which makes me think that maybe we
should store standalone Flatpak builds on our download server, but someone
would have to do the work to automatize this as much as possible). So you
are out of luck here.

Maybe you should be able to get older .deb packages of Linux Mint. Normally
distributions also keep their older packages and there are also some
websites which keep archives of all packages made for various
distributions. So I'm sure GIMP 2.8.x packages for Mint can be found. And
if you are lucky, these older packages can still be installed manually and
work on a newer distribution. You should ask about this on Linux Mint
forums.

As for the remark of overlooking legacy, I believe GIMP to be quite good on
this actually. We take a lot of care to not break too much older usage, and
rarely remove a feature without implementing first a better alternative,
nor do we change things on a whim without thinking hard about it. Now we
still have to evolve. Caring about compatibility is important, but it
should not mean being stuck in the past. Still I am sorry to read about
such a neurological disorder and I do wish you all the best. If finding an
older GIMP is the best for you, I hope you'll find an older version and
continue doing more of the nice photography artworks you linked earlier. 🙂
Regards,

Jehan


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:17 PM Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> I just discovered that tools can be ungrouped in GIMP 2.10
> (Sure, I can hold onto the concept that a tool is made visible by looking
> inside the group of related tools, but with my particular cognitive
> disorder, things that aren't visible tend to not exist in any functional
> sense. Imagine if the location of absolutely everything in the world were
> like the last time you lost your keys -- everything, all day, every day,
> your whole life.)
>
> Ungrouping the tools I use regularly makes it possible to have the toolbox
> in 2.10 appear as it always has in GIMP 2 -- a major cognitive help.
>
> Oh And: Now I see that the layers tab can be dragged to the set at the top
> of the column and the brushes can be dragged to the set at the bottom. It's
> nice not having the layers panel disappear until I look where the brushes
> always were and then keep finding the brushes have disappeared until I
> glance upward.
>
> Yes, having things only truly functionally exist when they're in view is
> weird. Be very glad you can take it for granted that things exist in
> locations on routes that you can keep track of without applying total
> conscious effort every single time.
>
> Picture GIMP in your mind's eye. I can't. If you were to ask me where
> things are in GIMP when I don't have the app open, I couldn't tell you,
> even if you offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to Mars.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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Has a long time Linux user and gimp user on practically every operating
system, Kenny is right this is an accessibility and a disability issue.
My recommendation is that you find a Linux user group in your town if there
is one and contact them, because this is a topic that would be ripe to be
addressed for a users group meeting or meet up. Do you know how people
who’ve never used it before attend the meetings and bring a box with them
and they install Linux on it for you well I’m sure an admin of Lenix can do
it for you in about 10 minutes and show you how to do it if you ever need
to if it’s possible for you.
That’s my two cents. I’m jealous you got To meet Steve Jobs. I actually had
a friend once who is an administrator and a programmer of the graphics
system I worked on at Bell Atlantic that became Verizon, and he was a
programmer in visual basic stuff like that, and then he went on to work at
next computing with Steve Jobs. Those are nice days in the 90s. Have a good
week stay safe.
💚

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
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> Hello Kenny,
>
>
>
> First of all, I am sorry to hear about your condition.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately we don't store any compiled package for GIMP on Linux (unlike
>
> Windows/macOS packages). Even our flatpak is quite new (since late GIMP 2.8
>
> releases, if not mistaken). The Flathub repository actually stores an
>
> history of former builds, so it is actually possible to install older
>
> builds (this is quite a hidden feature of Flatpak, very useful for
>
> debugging), but I just checked and the 2.8 builds are long gone because
>
> Flathub only stores up to 25 builds (which makes me think that maybe we
>
> should store standalone Flatpak builds on our download server, but someone
>
> would have to do the work to automatize this as much as possible). So you
>
> are out of luck here.
>
>
>
> Maybe you should be able to get older .deb packages of Linux Mint. Normally
>
> distributions also keep their older packages and there are also some
>
> websites which keep archives of all packages made for various
>
> distributions. So I'm sure GIMP 2.8.x packages for Mint can be found. And
>
> if you are lucky, these older packages can still be installed manually and
>
> work on a newer distribution. You should ask about this on Linux Mint
>
> forums.
>
>
>
> As for the remark of overlooking legacy, I believe GIMP to be quite good on
>
> this actually. We take a lot of care to not break too much older usage, and
>
> rarely remove a feature without implementing first a better alternative,
>
> nor do we change things on a whim without thinking hard about it. Now we
>
> still have to evolve. Caring about compatibility is important, but it
>
> should not mean being stuck in the past. Still I am sorry to read about
>
> such a neurological disorder and I do wish you all the best. If finding an
>
> older GIMP is the best for you, I hope you'll find an older version and
>
> continue doing more of the nice photography artworks you linked earlier. 🙂
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Jehan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:17 PM Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <
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> [hidden email]> wrote:
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>
>
> > I just discovered that tools can be ungrouped in GIMP 2.10
>
> > (Sure, I can hold onto the concept that a tool is made visible by looking
>
> > inside the group of related tools, but with my particular cognitive
>
> > disorder, things that aren't visible tend to not exist in any functional
>
> > sense. Imagine if the location of absolutely everything in the world were
>
> > like the last time you lost your keys -- everything, all day, every day,
>
> > your whole life.)
>
> >
>
> > Ungrouping the tools I use regularly makes it possible to have the
> toolbox
>
> > in 2.10 appear as it always has in GIMP 2 -- a major cognitive help.
>
> >
>
> > Oh And: Now I see that the layers tab can be dragged to the set at the
> top
>
> > of the column and the brushes can be dragged to the set at the bottom.
> It's
>
> > nice not having the layers panel disappear until I look where the brushes
>
> > always were and then keep finding the brushes have disappeared until I
>
> > glance upward.
>
> >
>
> > Yes, having things only truly functionally exist when they're in view is
>
> > weird. Be very glad you can take it for granted that things exist in
>
> > locations on routes that you can keep track of without applying total
>
> > conscious effort every single time.
>
> >
>
> > Picture GIMP in your mind's eye. I can't. If you were to ask me where
>
> > things are in GIMP when I don't have the app open, I couldn't tell you,
>
> > even if you offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to Mars.
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM Kenny Mann <[hidden email]>
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> > wrote:
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> >
>
> > > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
> > >
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Re: GIMP Version 2.8.16

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:03 PM Michael Schumacher <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Am 04.09.20 um 23:50 schrieb Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list:
>
> > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
> It is available - see https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.8/
>
> But note that this is a really old version - are you sure that you want
> that?
>
> Maybe you should provide a bit more context about why you need it and
> what "not available" means in this context.
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