Answer to Asking about comparison to Photoshop (AW: gimp-user-list Digest, Vol 111, Issue 22)

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Hi there!

GIMP compared to Photoshop is like comparing a VW Rabbit to a Bentley. One
difference is: you get the Rabbit for free, for the Bentley, you have to
pay, and you can only lease it. Honestly: most, you can do with Photoshop,
you can do with GIMP - if you are working with RGB. GIMP until now can´t
handle CMYK, work for pre-press, Photoshop can.
Regards


Klaus Gölker
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Today's Topics:

   1.  Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty please!
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   2. Re:  Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty please!
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   3.  Gaussian blur confusion (Joshua Oxley)
   4.  Colour Palette (Peter Wells)
   5. Re:  Gaussian blur confusion (Ofnuts)
   6. Re:  Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty please!
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   7. Re:  Gaussian blur confusion (Rick Kline)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:53:39 +0200
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Subject: [Gimp-user] Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty
        please!
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 Hello,
 The last day I've been looking at various reviews of GIMP compared to
Photoshop (on the image editing aspect only, as I know GIMP does not focus
on anything else), yet none seem satisfying enough: they are being a bit
vague with not many specific examples. I have seen some giving specific
examples for brushes, selection tools and... generally editing tools, but
I'm still not sure whether to trust them, because most people write reviews
without actually learning GIMP in such depth as Photoshop.

 In short, they say GIMP lacks the convenience that Photoshop provides on
how to handle tools and brushes. And also, they say the GUI is nicer over at
Photoshop, but I cannot guarantee that.

 On the other hand, I have heard that GIMP has actually been easier to use
and learn and more flexible than Photoshop. They say GIMP is actually
greater at photo editing than Photoshop is.

 You can really see that opinions vary so much, I really don't what to
conclude. Lastly, as I am really clueless about photo editing, I will refer
to the Adobe Photoshop website which contains some short videos (gifs?) that
show how photoshop works. They gave me the impression that the software
works really smoothly (might be false of course, because of its
size) and that it's really simple if you know what you are looking for.
Could GIMP be like that too?

 I really don't know and that's why I ask you, who seem to have a lot of
experience at such, photo editing, software like Photoshop. So, again,
looking only at the photo editing aspect of Photoshop, what kind of things
(tools,brushes, file formats, UI-related) do you think that Photoshop can
handle better/worse than GIMP? I planned to make this mail short but failed
miserably so if you made it this far, I appreciate it!

 Just a fan of FOSS and (GNU)Linux,
 Dimitris Giannos


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 09:58:31 +0200
From: ???????? ???????  <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty
        please!
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  Oh, I also forgot the part about Photoshop being available for Tablets and
phones. Could there be similar plans for GIMP?

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM ???????? ??????? <[hidden email]>
wrote:

>  Hello,
>  The last day I've been looking at various reviews of GIMP compared to
> Photoshop (on the image editing aspect only, as I know GIMP does not
> focus on anything else), yet none seem satisfying enough: they are
> being a bit vague with not many specific examples. I have seen some
> giving specific examples for brushes, selection tools and... generally
> editing tools, but I'm still not sure whether to trust them, because
> most people write reviews without actually learning GIMP in such depth as
Photoshop.

>
>  In short, they say GIMP lacks the convenience that Photoshop provides
> on how to handle tools and brushes. And also, they say the GUI is
> nicer over at Photoshop, but I cannot guarantee that.
>
>  On the other hand, I have heard that GIMP has actually been easier to
> use and learn and more flexible than Photoshop. They say GIMP is
> actually greater at photo editing than Photoshop is.
>
>  You can really see that opinions vary so much, I really don't what to
> conclude. Lastly, as I am really clueless about photo editing, I will
> refer to the Adobe Photoshop website which contains some short videos
> (gifs?) that show how photoshop works. They gave me the impression
> that the software works really smoothly (might be false of course,
> because of its
> size) and that it's really simple if you know what you are looking for.
> Could GIMP be like that too?
>
>  I really don't know and that's why I ask you, who seem to have a lot
> of experience at such, photo editing, software like Photoshop. So,
> again, looking only at the photo editing aspect of Photoshop, what
> kind of things (tools,brushes, file formats, UI-related) do you think
> that Photoshop can handle better/worse than GIMP? I planned to make
> this mail short but failed miserably so if you made it this far, I

appreciate it!
>
>  Just a fan of FOSS and (GNU)Linux,
>  Dimitris Giannos
>


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:31:25 -0700
From: Joshua Oxley <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Gimp-user] Gaussian blur confusion
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So I just recently got into using this platform and I was watching a
tutorial trying to follow along but I just could not get it to work. I
looked into it through the help section and under filters through gaussian
blur it lists FIR & RLE. but when I go to make a selection there is FIR and
IIR no RLE. When blurring an object it drastically increases it in size but
in the video I was watching he blurred the object and it stayed relatively
the same size.. I can't find anything online towards the subject and even
when I click help in Gimp it clearly states the two options should be FIR
and RLE. there is literally no mention of IIR. ANYWHERE.


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 12:34:55 +0100
From: Peter Wells <[hidden email]>
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Subject: [Gimp-user] Colour Palette
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me how to find the colour palette. i.e. plain colours for
example to use with bucket fill. I can find all sorts of patterns and
gimmicks but no basic colour palette.

Many thanks,

Peter.



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:40:21 +0100
From: Ofnuts <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gaussian blur confusion
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On 21/12/2020 20:31, Joshua Oxley via gimp-user-list wrote:
>   anything online towards the subject and even when I click help in
> Gimp it clearly s

The problem is that the blur "units" have changed with Gimp 2.10, IIRC you
have to divide by about 6 the blur amounts for previous versions of Gimp.



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 17:17:06 +0000
From: [hidden email]
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Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Asking for comparison to Photoshop, pretty
        please!
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???????? ??????? via gimp-user-list wrote:
>    Oh, I also forgot the part about Photoshop being available for
> Tablets and phones. Could there be similar plans for GIMP?

There's an entry on the FAQ about the lack of Android/iOS support:
https://www.gimp.org/docs/userfaq.html#will-you-release-gimp-for-android-or-
ios-devices

I can't really help with a comparison.  I only use GIMP occasionally, mostly
for fairly basic things, and have never used Photoshop.

I'd guess part of the problem with comparisons is that someone who uses
Photoshop all the time (so already has a license for it) can just download
GIMP for free, give it a go for a few hours and write a comparison.  But
they'd perceive GIMP as difficult to use because it's not the same as
Photoshop and they haven't got used to the differences.
On the other hand, someone who happily uses GIMP all the time, and is really
familiar with all its features, isn't so likely to pay for Photoshop just to
compare it to GIMP.  But if they did, they'd probably encounter similar
difficulties with Photoshop.  There may well be some reviews out there
written by people who do use both regularly and can make a fair comparison,
but the difficulty would be finding them (and knowing that you've found
them!)

--
Mark.



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 12:32:38 -0500
From: Rick Kline <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gaussian blur confusion
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As the OP mentioned, the Filter options under Gaussian Blur are Auto, FIR,
and IIRC. The GIMP 2.10 manual does, indeed, list filter options as Auto,
FIR, and RLE, so I can understand the confusion.

I typically use Auto, so I?ve never noticed the discrepancy before.

Rick
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> On Dec 22, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Ofnuts via gimp-user-list
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> On 21/12/2020 20:31, Joshua Oxley via gimp-user-list wrote:
>>  anything online towards the subject and even
>> when I click help in Gimp it clearly s
>
> The problem is that the blur "units" have changed with Gimp 2.10, IIRC
> you have to divide by about 6 the blur amounts for previous versions of
> Gimp.
>
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[Rick Strong-2]

Klaus Gölker wrote: "GIMP until now can´t handle CMYK, work for pre-press,
Photoshop can."
Yes, that is a major and important difference.

Rick S.

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[Liam R E Quin]

On Tue, 2020-12-22 at 17:05 -0500, Rick Strong wrote:
> Klaus Gölker wrote: "GIMP until now can´t handle CMYK, work for pre-
> press,
> Photoshop can."
> Yes, that is a major and important difference.

Note that there are plugins such as separate+ that go some of the way.

Print and pre-press is for sure an area where we could for sure do wih
more volunteer programmers, although it's not easy.


However, for most users, sending an RGB file to a print shop (or to a
printer) is fine.


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